Hiker Shoots Off-Leash Dog

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johnlantz wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:01 pm I wonder who appointed that man judge, jury, and executioner. To me, this is just another indication that there are too many guns in the world.

Hoping the dog full recovers.
At what point does a person get to defend themselves?
Must the dog draw blood with a bit, for example?
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osprey wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:08 pm
teamdonkey wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:27 am The article almost trips over itself trying to communicate that they only have 1 side of the story. Just the tone of the reporting makes me wonder what the other side is.

But like others, I'm struggling to think of a realistic scenario here where it's ok to shoot an un-leashed dog. Come on man.
It is perfectly legal for ranchers to shoot dogs harassing their livestock.
it's also legal for any certified peace officer in the state of colorado (but most specifically CPW officers) to shoot a dog harassing wildlife

people forget this. and the legal definition of wildlife harassment is quite broad
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If one goes hiking with kids, and they start running offtrail and destroying vegetation and leaving trash behind, should we shoot them too?
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osprey wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:08 pm
teamdonkey wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:27 am The article almost trips over itself trying to communicate that they only have 1 side of the story. Just the tone of the reporting makes me wonder what the other side is.

But like others, I'm struggling to think of a realistic scenario here where it's ok to shoot an un-leashed dog. Come on man.
It is perfectly legal for ranchers to shoot dogs harassing their livestock.
Also legal for the guard dogs of livestock on public grazing permits to defend their flock. If you encounter a sheep herd, say like the ones around Uncompahgre, get your dog on a leash. Fast. Those guard dogs don't play. Interesting to note that the Wilderness Areas where the law only requires voice control are also the ones that allow for the most livestock. That's probably not a coincidence.
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Here's some additional info from another news site

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/l ... ake-county
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Just curious, how are these off leash laws supposed to be enforced? If these laws are in place in wilderness areas, chances are there is not going to be a ranger or police officer around catching those breaking the rules. The absence of any consequences for the owner makes this something we see broken far too often. I agree with SurfnTurf that when you use common sense it is permissible at times, but common sense is not very common. Shooting the dog seems a bit extreme. It will be interesting to see if more information comes out here.
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SurfNTurf wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:12 pm
osprey wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:08 pm
teamdonkey wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:27 am The article almost trips over itself trying to communicate that they only have 1 side of the story. Just the tone of the reporting makes me wonder what the other side is.

But like others, I'm struggling to think of a realistic scenario here where it's ok to shoot an un-leashed dog. Come on man.
It is perfectly legal for ranchers to shoot dogs harassing their livestock.
Also legal for the guard dogs of livestock on public grazing permits to defend their flock. If you encounter a sheep herd, say like the ones around Uncompahgre, get your dog on a leash. Fast. Those guard dogs don't play. Interesting to note that the Wilderness Areas where the law only requires voice control are also the ones that allow for the most livestock. That's probably not a coincidence.
to say those dogs mess around is an understatement. in an area i hunt i've had one jump into the road and attempt to block my car as i was trying to drive up a county road. its herd was off the road not a 100 yards away and even though they were fenced in a pasture, that dog stood it's ground for a truck
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If the dog owner shot the other person, would that be legitimate self defense? One could argue that the other person threatened you and discharged a weapon at you but missed and hit your dog, so you were forced to use deadly force.
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LURE wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:17 pm
SurfNTurf wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:12 pm
osprey wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:08 pm

It is perfectly legal for ranchers to shoot dogs harassing their livestock.
Also legal for the guard dogs of livestock on public grazing permits to defend their flock. If you encounter a sheep herd, say like the ones around Uncompahgre, get your dog on a leash. Fast. Those guard dogs don't play. Interesting to note that the Wilderness Areas where the law only requires voice control are also the ones that allow for the most livestock. That's probably not a coincidence.
to say those dogs mess around is an understatement. in an area i hunt i've had one jump into the road and attempt to block my car as i was trying to drive up a county road. its herd was off the road not a 100 yards away and even though they were fenced in a pasture, that dog stood it's ground for a truck
You should have run over the dog, it was breaking the law by being offleash on a county road
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LURE wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:09 pm
osprey wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:08 pm
teamdonkey wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:27 am The article almost trips over itself trying to communicate that they only have 1 side of the story. Just the tone of the reporting makes me wonder what the other side is.

But like others, I'm struggling to think of a realistic scenario here where it's ok to shoot an un-leashed dog. Come on man.
It is perfectly legal for ranchers to shoot dogs harassing their livestock.
it's also legal for any certified peace officer in the state of colorado (but most specifically CPW officers) to shoot a dog harassing wildlife

people forget this. and the legal definition of wildlife harassment is quite broad
there we have it, mystery solved. The man was clearly a rancher or peace officer stopping this dog from harassing livestock and/or wildlife. Good job internet!
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crossfitter wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:56 am If you don't want your dog shot, either keep them on leash or under voice control, meaning you don't have to scream and chase after them to stay near you. Yet another problem easily solved via personal responsibility.
I disagree. I would say if you dont want your dog shot, pack heat when you go hiking, and shoot first whenever someone threats to shoot your dog.
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SurfNTurf wrote: Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:02 pm Leash laws are designed for the common good in areas where encountering other users (and user groups) is likely. That the same law governs both the Mt. Bierstadt standard trail and the tundra slog up Grey Wolf, however, is a flaw inherent to such blanket legislation, and I have no issue with exercising common sense.
What part of your reading of wilderness leash laws leads you to believe that their sole purpose is to protect other people using the wilderness? If you don't agree with being governed a certain way then you're right to challenge citizens and legislators to create a better model of governance. Murica! But what you shouldn't do is just break the law whenever you feel like it and then spray about it on the innertubez. And you definitely shouldn't suffer injury, personal or property, while knowingly breaking the law and then claim it was someone else's fault. Cuz that's a dead end street, legally speaking...
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